Invalid Report on a helper and trialmod

[sky]

Your IGN : Sky731
Player to be reported : Ridah and InfamousAge
Player being reported Rank : Don't know.
Describe your issue in detail : 2 friends of mine were just having some playful banter in chat, and Ridah made a comment calling them both cows. Then when they said they were going to report him, infamous sarcastically said "Im sure they'll take your side on it"
Why do you feel this is worth a report : The fact that a helper is making fun of peoples appearances for really no reason at all seems completely unacceptable in my opinion. There is also past history of staff members in aegis calling people cows. But hey, if this is acceptable you are more than welcome to delete this report. Id prefer that over a bunch of downvotes
Attached Evidence here :
Although I might not be the most likable person I think we might agree this wasnt cool of Ridah considering hes a helper

 

[pigslayer51]

This isn't the first time either, earlier this season we found a statue with cow eggs name "Jordan" and "Ridori". also last map they've done stuff also. Please reconsider who you have staffing your server.

 

[jrd3044]

This seems more like faction drama than a staff issue. Yes, he is a helper but obviously both of your factions have drama between them. Both factions have had outbursts similar to this one during this map.

 

[sky]

This seems more like faction drama than a staff issue. Yes, he is a helper but obviously both of your factions have drama between them. Both factions have had outbursts similar to this one during this map.

Ok, so are helpers allowed to make fun of peoples appearances? As thats what its coming off as.
Thats what id like to know, at this point since it seems beyond "faction drama"
Also hey, i do it all the time. dont mean to come off as hypocritical. Im just pointing out the difference is these are the people that set an example for the server and figured they should act a bit differently

 

[Dakotaa]

Ok, so are helpers allowed to make fun of peoples appearances? As thats what ita coming off as.
Thats what id like to know, at this point since it seems beyond "faction drama"
Also hey, i do it all the time. dont mean to come off as hypocritical, im just pointing out the difference is these are the people that set an example for the server

JCVI has a history of doing the same to people. If she can't handle it, she shouldn't do it to others.

 

[sky]

JCVI has a history of doing the same to people. If she can't handle it, she shouldn't do it to others.

Oh, so what about ridori who to my belief doesnt have any history of harassment to other players?

 

[Dakotaa]

Oh, so what about ridori who to my belief doesnt have any history of harassment?

/ignore

 

[sky]

/ignore

Okay I guess, let your helpers harass people more.Just figured it wouldn't have been okay in your eyes.
But hey, thanks for the suggestion! Il let them know to ignore a helper to hide from their harassment

 

[Thecreeperx98]

I'm not involved with this, but Admin down to the rank of Helper on any server, have no right to disrespect players. Staff are supposed to be sophisticated, and respect ALL PLAYERS. Staff members have roles they must follow and it is completely unacceptable for any staff to disagree. You guys are put to higher standard than this. Dakotaa, I see you as a generally good leader, but the fact you said " She/He has the right to act this way because others do " Is completely ridiculous, and childish. You are better than this, and that Helper definatley made a mistake here. ( We must assume staff are above childish banter and respect all players individually, or they shouldn't be considered for roles above the playerbase. ) I think a proper fix for this whole situation is a simple apology. They can go a long way.

EDIT: This is a staff issue, because a staff member is directly involved disrespecting another player. Staff members are on different standards than players are. That's why they're staff.

EDIT2: It is completely ridiculous for an Admin's response to this situation to be, " /Ignore. " In any player disputes I can understand this motive, but this is a potential future staff member we are talking about. Players are not typically given the right to ignore people such as moderators, because we need to hear what they have to say. ( Hopefully something respectful to players is what they're saying! "

 

[Dakotaa]

Okay I guess, let your helpers harass people more.Just figured it wouldn't have been okay in your eyes.
But hey, thanks for the suggestion! Il let them know to ignore a helper to hide from their harassment

I don't see any outright harassment in the picture you provided. This "harassment" comes down to how you interpret what was said.

but the fact you said " She/He has the right to act this way because others do " Is completely ridiculous, and childish

I didn't say they had the right to, I said that she shouldn't be doing this kind of stuff when she gets offended if others do it to her.

This is the internet, people are going to talk shit, there's almost never an innocent side. We're not going to moderate every little thing that is said. Get some thicker skin.

 

[jrd3044]

Helpers aren't even considered a staff rank, which is clearly labeled on the website.

 

[JCVI]

I didn't want this post to be about me, but be about Ridori. Ridori is being harassed by most of the members in Aegis, yet she hasn't done anything to deserve it. Say she ignores the helper, and the helper warns her for something in chat that she doesn't see. She'll then get muted if the problem continues just because she ignored a helper who harassed her in main chat.

 

[Thecreeperx98]

Jrd, hopefully the situation helps you guys make the decision on furthering the prospects chances of becoming higher rank! Thanks for letting me know, I was unaware of the ranking placement for "Helper."

I can understand the decision under this being placed for Player to Player dispute now.

 

[Thecreeperx98]

JCVI Just stated that helpers have the ability to mute. I consider this to be a pretty powerful power for someone not related to staff. If this is going to be considered "Player to Player" Dispute, then I think this is an unfair playing field, and I retract my previous statement. This Helper obviously has a form of staff power.

 

[Thecreeperx98]

@Dakotaa, If you believe people on your server need "Thicker Skin" Then please remove your Anti-Harassment rule. Because this is blatant allowing of harassment. By the way, I have nothing against you guys, I'm just trying to help you guys understand where, as a member who plays this server; I see something that has incorrectly happened. Not trying to frustrate anyone. But seriously, The excuse " Get Thicker Skin " Is not something you can use in these situations, because that would apply to ANY harassment situation. You need to understand everyone is different, everyone is emotionally effected by things differently, and many people player YOUR SERVER as an escape from their lives. You need to cater to this, and try to make everyone as happy as possible. Obviously, calling someone a "Cow" is disrespect. There is no "Viewing what they said differently" As staff, It's really easy to ask someone apologize... For all you know, you're making someone's day a whole lot better, even if you think it's petty. Remember.. Everything effects everyone differently.

 

[jrd3044]

[18:58:13] [Spawn]�rVanguard �f[N Quarrier][VIP+] Sky: kill yourself

[18:58:03] [[Spawn]�rVanguard �f[N Quarrier][VIP+] Sky: your a faggot ass insider

[18:57:51] [Spawn]�rVanguard �f[N Quarrier][VIP+] Sky: kill yourself faggot, your using insiders

That pretty much sums up your chat from today, yet no one warned or muted you etc. You clearly contradict your point here:

Ok, so are helpers allowed to make fun of peoples appearances? As thats what its coming off as.
Thats what id like to know, at this point since it seems beyond "faction drama"
Also hey, i do it all the time. dont mean to come off as hypocritical. Im just pointing out the difference is these are the people that set an example for the server and figured they should act a bit differently

I mean you're doing the same thing this helper did if not worse imo. Like I said this helper really didn't break any rules, as he didn't abuse his rank and he was just in the middle of your faction drama you all have.

 

[sky]

That pretty much sums up your chat from today, yet no one warned or muted you etc. You clearly contradict your point here:


I mean you're doing the same thing this helper did if not worse imo. Like I said this helper really didn't break any rules, as he didn't abuse his rank and he was just in the middle of your faction drama you all have.

"Also hey, i do it all the time"
Im not saying im not a toxic cunt now and then or anything, but all I was asking was whether or not helpers are expected to treat others differently due to their position within the server.

 

[Thecreeperx98]

JRD, you just admitted to making mistakes in moderating. Sky should have obviously gotten a temp-ban or at-least a mute. You made another mistake here in my personal opinion. Why are you pointing out your own flaws?

You seriously are trying to use leverage on someone to tell them that they have no right to say anything because they have done the exact same thing... This is NOT how moderation works JRD. You're arguing with people and trying to vulcanize them. You have a blatant dislike for the faction involved with this post, it's obvious with the way you refer to them. You're using terms like " IMO " There is no "IMO while dealing with harassment." You have CLEARLY STATED RULES. Maybe your moderation team needs to start cracking down, especially if you're willing to let what you just showed be something you USE as PROOF trying to disprove a member of your server. This is becoming a childish argument. You're trying to prove yourself. You're an owner, dude, what are you doing? You have the authority yet you're getting personally involved with this argument and trying to slander people.

EDIT: Your main goal in this operation should be to help both sides. Instead you're just slandering one now because you got mad... Can we get back on track here?

 

[jrd3044]

Thecreeper are you aware I pulled server logs, and I was not on? Please get off this report as you are not involved you are just adding your opinion which according to you I can't have.

All I am saying is I don't see how his helper rank was involved here. If Ridori is being harassed or having issues with any staff I urge her to private message me on the forums or discord.

Not sure where you get the point where I dislike their faction, but ok?

 

[Ridori]

I haven't done anything near harrassment, I havent said mean things and harrassed them (them as in the helpers). I've been harrassed many times, they've gotten players to call me a fat mentally unstable whore. Excuse my language. I have pictures of ImHog calling me mean things and then saying they're allied with aegis. The thing is, ImHog isn't the only one who has harrassed me. I don't have proof of it but mean things have been said by your helpers. I really don't think this should be happening. I didn't want everything to come to this but it isn't right for staff who are supposed to be "reliable" to insult and harrass players. It's not about having thick or thin skin, it's about not being harrassed 24/7 by your staff members which are supposed to be "reliable" and are supposed to help players in this situation, not start it. I don't have any grudges with the faction members, I have grudges when they start to target me and harrass me after things have happened. I don't have any "faction drama" ongoing with them, atleast I don't, personally. I really don't understand how you guys think this is right. I'm being harrassed by the staff (or soon to be) when they're supposed to be HELPers.

"Helpers arent staff" but they're given different treatment. Very ironic. I think if they aren't staff then why don't you fix it? If it was player to player I'm sure you would do something. They are technically staff. They're volunteers by definition so they're staff so that argument isn't valid. If they're working for you in some way then they are staff. ImHog1 ImHog2. I think this has gotten out of hand. Please contain your staff. I really don't like to go through this but I have to if things like this are happening to my friends or to me. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Please look at the big picture, I don't like this as much as the other person does but if a lot of other people feel this way, I will have a say on it. Please contain your staff so they don't insult me or my friends.

EDIT: I would love to talk. I'd very much be happy with it.