Invalid Report on a helper and trialmod

[jrd3044]

I haven't done anything near harrassment, I havent said mean things and harrassed them (them as in the helpers). I've been harrassed many times, they've gotten players to call me a fat mentally unstable whore. Excuse my language. I have pictures of ImHog calling me mean things and then saying they're allied with aegis. The thing is, ImHog isn't the only one who has harrassed me. I don't have proof of it but mean things have been said by your helpers. I really don't think this should be happening. I didn't want everything to come to this but it isn't right for staff who are supposed to be "reliable" to insult and harrass players. It's not about having thick or thin skin, it's about not being harrassed 24/7 by your staff members which are supposed to be "reliable" and are supposed to help players in this situation, not start it. I don't have any grudges with the faction members, I have grudges when they start to target me and harrass me after things have happened. I don't have any "faction drama" ongoing with them, atleast I don't, personally. I really don't understand how you guys think this is right. I'm being harrassed by the staff (or soon to be) when they're supposed to be HELPers.

"Helpers arent staff" but they're given different treatment. Very ironic. I think if they aren't staff then why don't you fix it? If it was player to player I'm sure you would do something. They are technically staff. They're volunteers by definition so they're staff so that argument isn't valid. If they're working for you in some way then they are staff. ImHog1 ImHog2. I think this has gotten out of hand. Please contain your staff. I really don't like to go through this but I have to if things like this are happening to my friends or to me. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Please look at the big picture, I don't like this as much as the other person does but if a lot of other people feel this way, I will have a say on it. Please contain your staff so they don't insult me or my friends.

EDIT: I would love to talk. I'd very much be happy with it.

Like I said feel free to message me on who's doing it and I will look into the logs and see if Dakota, spalw, or I see any issues. Also take screenshots if it happens in the future an pm me them, if I am not on. We have done numerous things in the past to help players out, but we need to be made aware of situations that're being taken way out of hand. We try our hardest to stop most situations that're blowing up, but like any server some things slip through the cracks. Dakota and I are willing to look into harassment but from the picture that sky provided we didn't see any staff issue.

 

[Thecreeperx98]

The Helper stated "Let's see who's side they take" I think this shows he/she KNOWS/THINKS that the moderation team will favor them, which is not something a helper should be reliant on, or even saying. Personally I think " I'm sorry you're upset with me, let's see how the moderators respond to this disagreement." Would have been the more "Helper-rank deserving response.

 

[JCVI]

I feel like another big issue of this is "like theyll take your side" comment, near when he said "if you have an issue with how you've been treated, please make a report on the forums."

 

[sky]

All I am saying is I don't see how his helper rank was involved here

Because helpers are set at higher expectations by most people on the server. As multiple people have pointed out, suggesting /ignore makes no sense when ignoring a helper can get in the way of that person seeing their helper duties such as not seeing a warning against them.
These are the people you consider for moderator, which is why people are concerned such things are allowed. If it was a regular player it wouldnt have been reported and discussed.
But yes, you are welcome to say that helpers are allowed to harass other people in order to clear up any confusion people commenting have.

 

[jrd3044]

I feel like another big issue of this is "like theyll take your side" comment"

We already planned to talk to Infamous about this comment.

Helpers have been ignored by people in the past for various issues and we have never had the issue that you think will come from it. If we think a helper is targeting a player by muting/kicking them because of a personal vendetta they will be removed from their rank.

There have been some helpers that never advance in our ranking system. Just because someone has a helper tag doesn't mean they will end up getting mod.

 

[sky]

We already planned to talk to Infamous about this comment.

Helpers have been ignored by people in the past for various issues and we have never had the issue that you think will come from it. If we think a helper is targeting a player by muting/kicking them because of a personal vendetta they will be removed from their rank.

There have been some helpers that never advance in our ranking system. Just because someone has a helper tag doesn't mean they will end up getting mod.

Regardless if they get mod or not, helpers are automatically set at higher expectations by a majority of the playerbase.
But people are still confused. Are helpers allowed to harass people, or no?
If they are, you will not see a report about harassment from a helper again.
If they arent, this invalid report contradicts that.

 

[Thecreeperx98]

JRD, I'm not adding my opinion, I'm trying to state facts based around the servers rules, that's all. No anger on any side between me and you here. Just trying to understand your reasoning. I appreciated and understand the work you attempting to stop harassment on the server. I saw that, trust me. The reason I said there's is bias, is because An admin has actually told me that this faction "Creates the most problems and that is why the staff have a hard time taking us seriously." ...I'm sure you didn't know about that. Though it did happen recently, which is a clear text admission to having bias. I understand you personally may have none, though. I'm on this thread to help represent my factions interests, that's all! Upon request though, if my help in understanding this situation is no longer valued, I will leave the thread, thanks for listening.

 

[jrd3044]

If it's faction drama they can participate in the drama. If we notice a helper is going out of their way constantly to harass someone, we will take action. This is the first time this issue has been sent to us. If it has been constantly happening it should have been reported earlier and we would have gladly looked into it.

 

[sky]

If it's faction drama they can participate in the drama. If we notice a helper is going out of their way constantly to harass someone, we will take action. This is the first time this issue has been sent to us. If it has been constantly happening it should have been reported earlier and we would have gladly looked into it.

Theres a fine line between faction drama and harassment.
We could have reported it sooner each time a helper in aegis called ridori a cow, but figured you would not care and just suggest us to ignore them all, as dakotaa (owner) did just now when I asked about ridoris harassment.

 

[jrd3044]

Theres a fine line between faction drama and harassment. We could have reported it sooner but figured you would not care and just suggest us to ignore them all, as dakotaa (owner) did just now when we asked about ridoris harassment.

There has been countless times that factions have tried to get enemy factions upset etc. We are always open to reports about harassment and we always look at the logs. We have fixed multiple harassment issues in the past. We will always look into it. When Dakota and I were talking earlier we didn't realize that this issue has been going on for awhile that's why he said to ignore the player. Ignoring the player normally just defuses the situation and makes everyone happy, but of course if multiple people are harassing her that's not an option. Like I said encourage her or do it for her and send me dates/names who have done things in the past and we will look into it. I won't be able to get to it tonight however as I have work in the morning and digging through logs takes time of course.

 

[Spalw]

I'm going to stay out of the main argument of this thread.

However, I'd like to direct your attention to this - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_hands

If you want to staff to listen to what you have to say, apply those same expectations and rules to yourself.

You guys are all toxic in chat, if you expect us to listen to you guys complain about others...multiple times, we expect that you guys clean up your act as well.

 

[JCVI]

Ridori has a clean slate, yet she got treated like that by a helper for no reason.

 

[sky]

I'm going to stay out of the main argument of this thread.

However, I'd like to direct your attention to this - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_hands

If you want to staff to listen to what you have to say, apply those same expectations and rules to yourself.

You guys are all toxic in chat, if you expect us to listen to you guys complain about others...multiple times, we expect that you guys clean up your act as well.

This doesnt make much sense to me. This report doesnt have anything to do with me or a majority of my faction members, and if ridori had copy pasted exact responses on our behalf herself you wouldnt be able to apply this logic as she has no toxic history.

 

[Ridori]

"You guys are all toxic in chat" that is untrue. I'm not gonna claim that I'm innocent. I haven't said mean towards them in chat though I have "insided" them. "clean up your act as well." I don't understand why I'm being harrassed over these things. Please just take responsibility and make sure it doesn't happen again. I don't enjoy coming on the server to be harrassed, no matter what rank. Please.

 

[NoodlyApendage]

"You guys are all toxic in chat" that is untrue.

I believe spalw is specifically referencing JCVI and sky in this comment

 

[Freed0mMC]

I haven't done anything near harrassment, I havent said mean things and harrassed them (them as in the helpers). I've been harrassed many times, they've gotten players to call me a fat mentally unstable whore. Excuse my language. I have pictures of ImHog calling me mean things and then saying they're allied with aegis. The thing is, ImHog isn't the only one who has harrassed me. I don't have proof of it but mean things have been said by your helpers. I really don't think this should be happening. I didn't want everything to come to this but it isn't right for staff who are supposed to be "reliable" to insult and harrass players. It's not about having thick or thin skin, it's about not being harrassed 24/7 by your staff members which are supposed to be "reliable" and are supposed to help players in this situation, not start it. I don't have any grudges with the faction members, I have grudges when they start to target me and harrass me after things have happened. I don't have any "faction drama" ongoing with them, atleast I don't, personally. I really don't understand how you guys think this is right. I'm being harrassed by the staff (or soon to be) when they're supposed to be HELPers.

"Helpers arent staff" but they're given different treatment. Very ironic. I think if they aren't staff then why don't you fix it? If it was player to player I'm sure you would do something. They are technically staff. They're volunteers by definition so they're staff so that argument isn't valid. If they're working for you in some way then they are staff. ImHog1 ImHog2. I think this has gotten out of hand. Please contain your staff. I really don't like to go through this but I have to if things like this are happening to my friends or to me. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Please look at the big picture, I don't like this as much as the other person does but if a lot of other people feel this way, I will have a say on it. Please contain your staff so they don't insult me or my friends.

EDIT: I would love to talk. I'd very much be happy with it.

Yikes.

This isn't the case in the slightest, nobody has gone out of their way to send hate in your direction. The reason so many people in Aegis send shade towards you is simply because you betrayed their trust. Sure, your argument is that its just a game and you're absolutely right but you used the game and the faction to build personal bonds with people and threw it all away. That is why a lot of them dislike you. When you spent so long craving the attention of those people with a lot of them being kind enough to give it to you just to throw it back in their face, I'm not sure how you didn't expect some negativity.

At this point, it feels like the nature of the server is people throwing comments like this at eachother in chat, it is incredibly ironic that people even make complaints when they're some of the worst for this kind of behaviour.

I don't think what @InFamousAge said is bad what so ever, it is at the very best passive aggressive but I'm not entirely sure how it negatively reflects on him or his rank within the server.

 

[JCVI]

I've seen people from your faction and allies call her names in chat on multiple occasions. Do you not think Ridah went out of his way for that comment?

 

[p0six]

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[Freed0mMC]

I've seen people from your faction and allies call her names in chat on multiple occasions. Do you not think Ridah went out of his way for that comment?

What Ridah said was 100% unnecessary, there is a reason why I didn't even bother bringing it up in my comment.

However, the nature and severity of the insult was nowhere near the level of punishment in my opinion. I really think the best outcome for this would be making use of the /ignore command to prevent him from posting any more trigger words in the future.

As for the other people calling her names, so what? You make people mad and they'll give you a reaction for it. Especially, like I said in my previous comment, after those exact people genuinely put a decent amount of time in to helping her through personal things that I won't bring up simply for her sake.

Ridori can act innocent, to some extent and in comparison to some people on Aegis' side she is, but she has also sent insults their way. It will forever be back and forth unless of course the handy /ignore command is used to put a stop to this.

Spalw referenced clean slate earlier in this post, but I'd like to mention that the main reason sky made a player report here is because infamous and ridah are helpers. Therefore, sky believes that they ought be put on different playing fields, for lack of a better word, for what they can say. So, even if sky and JCVI don't have clean slates, they are also not helpers. Sky made this report specifically mentioning that ridah and infamous are helpers, and he obviously wouldn't care what they say if they werent helpers. My point here is that the clean slate argument doesn't apply.

That is understandable but I believe the main argument is simply the fact that their staff rank had absolutely nothing to do with what happened. Neither of them used it to belittle the other nor did they use it to give themselves an advantage. It may reflect badly on them to some people but when push comes to shove, the faction beef is put aside and they get on with their staff/helper duties.

If it did clearly have a negative impact on their staff/helper-specific duties and actually took priority over them it would definitely be an issue. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. Just because somebody has a unique rank and a little more responsibility doesn't mean they won't bite back to the people that do the exact same thing on other occasions. Respect is a two way street, no matter the circumstance.

 

[p0six]

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