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Denied Ban Appeal - Zhihu

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Zhihu

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Ban appeals are for when we have made a mistake, or there has been a significant change in the circumstances.
These are the only reasons a ban appeal would be accepted. Appeals for "apologies" or just admitting you did wrong will be instantly denied.


In Game Name: Zhihu

Length of Ban: 7 days

Nature of ban(ie, mine craft temp banned or TS3 perm ban) : Minecraft Temp Ban

Staff who banned you : Dakota

Staff who dealt with you : Dakota

Staff who have warned you previously : N/A

Reason for ban on record : Intentionally Causing Server Lag

Why do you think you were banned?(what you think the admins thought) : The amount of tnt I used was excessive and the TPS was dipping to 12. Dakota thought I was doing it to cause server lag he may not have known it was for building my base.

What is your explanation of this reason? This was being done the previous day with no lag (just rendering issues). The problem was that there are 200 players on at the time of us mining out the trenches compared to last nights 70.

We took breaks in tnting to let our computers render in the tnt as well.

Why should we unban you? My intention was to build my base by TNTing out the trenches, like many other big factions do, not to "intentionally lag the server".

I'm assuming the rule I broke was #4, 'Don't be an ass use common sense'. Assuming other factions do this all time time, and none of them have gotten banned before I assumed I can do it as well.

If you are going to be fair then you are going to have to ban SnowManMeltsYou when he uses his cannon which shoots almost double the tnt (We had 54 dispensers he uses 92 + his barrel). Or any other faction who uses TNT to mine out their trenches (any factions on ftop).

What measures will you take to prevent this from happening again? Add more delay on the clock or setup the dispensers to a button and wait for the TPS to go back up to 18+ rather than 16.

How can we trust you again? I will make sure to use less dispensers and wait until there is a low player count before blowing up my trenches.

What else would you like to say to the admins who will review this case? Like Nova said last night, "Make sure you don't lag the server too much", and we did take the precaution and only did about 50 dispensers at a time rather than the 150 we could have.

Most big factions servers instead of banning players who tnt their trenches, they offer better alternatives, such as chunk nukes which remove all the stone/dirt in a chunk for a price, or make it easier to get 7x7 jackhammers, that way players dont result to using tnt, just a suggestion.
 
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Dakotaa

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Ban appeals are for when we have made a mistake, or there has been a significant change in the circumstances.
These are the only reasons a ban appeal would be accepted. Appeals for "apologies" or just admitting you did wrong will be instantly denied.


In Game Name: Zhihu

Length of Ban: 7 days

Nature of ban(ie, mine craft temp banned or TS3 perm ban) : Minecraft Temp Ban

Staff who banned you : Dakota

Staff who dealt with you : Dakota

Staff who have warned you previously : N/A

Reason for ban on record : Intentionally Causing Server Lag

Why do you think you were banned?(what you think the admins thought) : The amount of tnt I used was excessive and the TPS was dipping to 12. Dakota thought I was doing it to cause server lag he may not have known it was for building my base.

What is your explanation of this reason? This was being done the previous day with no lag (just rendering issues). The problem was that there are 200 players on at the time of us mining out the trenches compared to last nights 70.

We took breaks in tnting to let our computers render in the tnt as well.

Why should we unban you? My intention was to build my base by TNTing out the trenches, like many other big factions do, not to "intentionally lag the server".

I'm assuming the rule I broke was #4, 'Don't be an ass use common sense'. Assuming other factions do this all time time, and none of them have gotten banned before I assumed I can do it as well.

If you are going to be fair then you are going to have to ban SnowManMeltsYou when he uses his cannon which shoots almost double the tnt (We had 54 dispensers he uses 92 + his barrel). Or any other faction who uses TNT to mine out their trenches (any factions on ftop).

What measures will you take to prevent this from happening again? Add more delay on the clock or setup the dispensers to a button and wait for the TPS to go back up to 18+ rather than 16.

How can we trust you again? I will make sure to use less dispensers and wait until there is a low player count before blowing up my trenches.

What else would you like to say to the admins who will review this case? Like Nova said last night, "Make sure you don't lag the server too much", and we did take the precaution and only did about 50 dispensers at a time rather than the 150 we could have.

Most big factions servers instead of banning players who tnt their trenches, they offer better alternatives, such as chunk nukes which remove all the stone/dirt in a chunk for a price, or make it easier to get 7x7 jackhammers, that way players dont result to using tnt, just a suggestion.
You wrote this appeal to make it look like I banned you instantly when I saw what you were doing. This is not true at all - I saw that you were dropping 100+ tnt at once, which was very clearly causing server lag. I messaged you telling you not to do this, for obvious reasons. I broke your clock and told you that I would ban you if the dispensers went off again. After switching to spectator mode, I saw you place a redstone torch to set them off 3-4 times more, disregarding what I had just told you.

The problem was that there are 200 players on at the time of us mining out the trenches compared to last nights 70.
So clearly you understand the issue you were causing.

If you are going to be fair then you are going to have to ban SnowManMeltsYou when he uses his cannon which shoots almost double the tnt (We had 54 dispensers he uses 92 + his barrel).
Yes, if another player was doing something that caused an extreme amount of lag, and continued to do it after being warned under the threat of a ban, I would ban them as well.

A cannon is also different from what you were doing. Cannons generally have intervals between shots - what you were doing was automated through a redstone clock, so it was constant.

"Make sure you don't lag the server too much"
Which you seem to have ignored, as you were very aware of the lag you were causing while doing this. You acknowledged that when you were doing it with more TNT, it dropped the TPS to 8, but continued to do it with less, "only" dropping it to 15.
 

Zhihu

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So you don't want it on a clock just on a button instead? And I knew you were still there that is why I used a redstone torch to light it instead of hooking it up to the clock.

What would be an appropriate number of dispensers?

EDIT: SnowMan has been warned many times before as well, the point is his cannons lag the server, but they are also effective at raiding bases. I hate Snowman just as much as the next guy but it wouldn't be fair to ban him for using his cannons, meaning anytime he wants to raid a base he would get banned for causing lag.
 
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Dakotaa

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So you don't want it on a clock just on a button instead? And I knew you were still there that is why I used a redstone torch to light it instead of hooking it up to the clock.

What would be an appropriate number of dispensers?

EDIT: SnowMan has been warned many times before as well, the point is his cannons lag the server, but they are also effective at raiding bases. I hate Snowman just as much as the next guy but it wouldn't be fair to ban him for using his cannons, meaning anytime he wants to raid a base he would get banned for causing lag.
You clearly don't understand the situation at all if you need to ask what the appropriate number of dispensers would be.
 

Zhihu

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You don't want it on a clock and a reduced number of dispensers. You want it manually blown up correct? The automation of it is what causes the lag.

I don't want to throw them under the bus, but both Ace and Nova were watching the TNTing happening last night.

And you were telling us to use a Pickaxe instead...I did the math and it is roughly ~2165760 blocks to mine...like I said considering no one on the server has a jackhammer (and it only mines 3x3) the server encourages players to use TNT. The labor to do that would take weeks compared to the two days it took us to do this.
 
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Zhihu

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Some alternatives in order to stop people from using normal tnt.

Maybe make the exceedingly rare jackhammer 5x5 and make the 3x3 one a rare? The fuckboi faction servers let you start with an upgradable pickaxe that starts at 2x2.
 
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