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Denied Ban Appeal - Raymoo0

Discussion in 'Ban Appeal' started by Raymoo0, Feb 5, 2019.

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  1. Raymoo0

    Raymoo0 New Member

    Member Name Raymoo0

    Ban appeals are for when we have made a mistake, or there has been a significant change in the circumstances.
    These are the only reasons a ban appeal would be accepted. Appeals for "apologies" or just admitting you did wrong will be instantly denied.

    In Game Name:

    Length of Ban: 14 days

    Nature of ban(ie, mine craft temp banned or TS3 perm ban) : minecraft temp

    Staff who banned you : noodle

    Staff who dealt with you : noodle

    Staff who have warned you previously : n/a

    Reason for ban on record : "selling drugs for none cops"

    Why do you think you were banned?(what you think the admins thought) : I was selling drugs, admins knew that they were not mine

    What is your explanation of this reason? someone was advertising their drugs for sale so i wanted to take advantage and buy the drugs off of him. i know there are rules for selling friend's drugs but i feel like this situation does not break those rules since i had ownership of the drugs (bought them) and had no personal connection with the person who farmed the drugs.

    Why should we unban you? i reviewed the rules (http://mc-drugs.com/threads/cop-rules.93/) and found the closest rule that could apply to this situation is "4. Don't Sell for Non-Cops". i really don't believe that i broke this rule though since i bought the drugs at less than what they sell for and was not going to pay anyone the profits. i had no connection to the person who i bought it from either, so i was not doing this for a faction member or friend. the person who sold me the drugs was also advertising to everyone so they were not targeting cops.

    What measures will you take to prevent this from happening again? i will not be buying drugs for resale anymore

    How can we trust you again? i know all the rules for cops and have never intentionally broke them. i was honest with the admin who came to investigate.

    What else would you like to say to the admins who will review this case? the admin didn't know the full story so they based their actions off of protocol, but please change the wording of rule 4 or add another rule specifically for these kinds of situations if you don't want them happening again
  2. NoodlyApendage

    NoodlyApendage Admin Staff Member Admin 2017 Map Founder MVP+

    Appeal denied.

    By purchasing the drugs you already gave the profits.
  3. Raymoo0

    Raymoo0 New Member

    I expected that, but wouldn't you agree that the rules seem too vague for this kind of thing? I would recommend adding the rule of "do not buy drugs to sell" or something because I feel like all of the rules regarding this stuff is directed towards people who have cop friends
  4. NovaSeepa

    NovaSeepa Admin Staff Member Admin MVP++

    You are incorrect when you say you bought the drugs for less than they were worth. You paid 390k for the drugs which would have sold for almost 100k more than that at the regular seller, and you were selling at VIP.

    The only thing that differs slightly in this case vs a normal case of a cop selling for a player is you paid for the drugs upfront rather than selling first, then splitting the profit. The player avoided having to go past the cops and you got 20 dubs of drugs that you didn't have to frisk off of players, or find in a raid.

    The thread you linked is slightly out of date when compared to the rules in-game, which you can find here. Perhaps the wording of "non-cop friends" in rule 4 is a bit ambiguous, but I feel it is also made clear by rule 11: Selling drugs you had before enrolling into the police or selling drugs for other people is punishable by permanent ban.
  5. Raymoo0

    Raymoo0 New Member

    well yeah, 390k would mean that the seller lost 100k in profits by selling it to me rather than running it to the regular sellers, so he takes a big loss by skipping the sale. (he was mvp+ so I imagine his profit loss was even higher than 100k). I still believe that non of the rules clearly fall under this circumstance but now I know that I should not do it. Will I still be able to be a cop? I hope I'm not losing it again since I just got it back after a half year cop ban.
  6. NoodlyApendage

    NoodlyApendage Admin Staff Member Admin 2017 Map Founder MVP+

  7. NovaSeepa

    NovaSeepa Admin Staff Member Admin MVP++

    Sorry for the late response.

    I'm not sure how else I can explain this to you so you will understand. When you sell drugs for someone and split the profit then obviously there will be a loss for the supplier. Even though you paid for the drugs beforehand, the end result is your balance is no different than if you had taken and sold all the drugs then paid them the money.

    You, a cop, sold drugs at no risk for a non-cop player. If they had run the drugs themselves they might have gotten frisked and lost them, but when you buy the drugs it's at absolutely no risk because you can't get frisked as a cop. This is why the only way a cop is allowed to get drugs is by frisking them off a player, or finding them in a raid after they have enrolled as a cop.

    You have been demoted from your cop rank and the profits you made from the drugs has been confiscated. I am locking this appeal.
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